Air Arms Owners Club

I see a lot of high end guns now are not regulated. the ftp900 is a regulated gun. but the s400s and s500s are not. the hft 500 is not. the electronic daystates are. but the rest are not. even FX guns are only regulated as a extra. I think its crazy that all top pcp guns are not regulated tbh. so a 100 shot unregulated pcp with a 40 shot sweet spot is really a 40 shot pcp. I know at 30yard range in .177 wont have a massive drop in poi. but still. I would much rarther have a reg on my gun.

i have my r 10 which is reged , put 232 bar in it and get big shot count.
i have huntsman no reg at 45 yards the huntsman will group tighter over 40 shots .
410 no reg will shoot just as good over the 40 shots and group as good as the r 10.
its if you want regulated pressure that stays constant till it, hit 100 bar or so .
the gun with reg should give more shots.

granville wrote:i have my r 10 which is reged , put 232 bar in it and get big shot count.
i have huntsman no reg at 45 yards the huntsman will group tighter over 40 shots .
410 no reg will shoot just as good over the 40 shots and group as good as the r 10.
its if you want regulated pressure that stays constant till it, hit 100 bar or so .
the gun with reg should give more shots.

but any gun with a reg should be better than the same gun without a reg is what im thinking. of could I be wrong.

regged or not my own opinion is it depends on just how many shots you need.
Ok so we have the R10 loads of shots from a big cylinder and if the reg works right then they are constant, yes
Then we have the AA's un regged but with a lower shot count, my TDR .177 gives me 40-50 shots in the sweet spot, just like a regged gun.
Can't comment on the daystates as i have not owned one (need a lotto win) but the high price ones are electronic regged and the rest are sweet
spot guns.
And as for the HW's i have a HW100 and after 4 mags (48 shots) i have to refill and thats a regged gun.
The thing is unless i am plinking i don't need 200+ shots, as even a good session in the field or even the barn won't use up my shot count,
ok i did have to re fill the TDR once on a good pigeon shoot.
What i am saying is if its a big shot count then either get a regged gun with a big cylinder,or a lower shot count gun that you can learn the sweet spot range.
daz
Oh just remember with a big cylinder gun once you have depleted the air below the reg pressure you will have to fill it up and if you don't have a cylinder
that's a lot of pumping, and i can guarantee i will have re filled both my TDR and the HW and be back shooting long before you get your cylinder up to 150 bar
or maybe less.
lol

darran77 wrote:regged or not my own opinion is it depends on just how many shots you need.
Ok so we have the R10 loads of shots from a big cylinder and if the reg works right then they are constant, yes
Then we have the AA's un regged but with a lower shot count, my TDR .177 gives me 40-50 shots in the sweet spot, just like a regged gun.
Can't comment on the daystates as i have not owned one (need a lotto win) but the high price ones are electronic regged and the rest are sweet
spot guns.
And as for the HW's i have a HW100 and after 4 mags (48 shots) i have to refill and thats a regged gun.
The thing is unless i am plinking i don't need 200+ shots, as even a good session in the field or even the barn won't use up my shot count,
ok i did have to re fill the TDR once on a good pigeon shoot.
What i am saying is if its a big shot count then either get a regged gun with a big cylinder,or a lower shot count gun that you can learn the sweet spot range.
daz
Oh just remember with a big cylinder gun once you have depleted the air below the reg pressure you will have to fill it up and if you don't have a cylinder
that's a lot of pumping, and i can guarantee i will have re filled both my TDR and the HW and be back shooting long before you get your cylinder up to 150 bar
or maybe less.
lol

I have a mct air wolf. and a mk4 is. both .177. I recharge the wolf after 350 shots. ( but it does have a 500cc bottle ) and at 40 yards it has no poi drop. the mk4 I charge at 150 shots. and again no change of poi at 40 odd yards. but I have seen people on the daystate forum say a regal has a 40 shot sweet spot at 45 yards. but daystate say its a 90 shot gun. so that's more shots out of the sweet spot than shots in it. I get what your saying about how many shots you really need. but a new regal is a £900 gun. and to have 40 sweet shots out of the 90 daystate say is not great really.

if your gun don't have a reg fit one .
used to shoot none reg guns and its a pain fill to X shoot 40 shots refill .
As with a reg fitted you up your shot count that shoots at say 780fps till it gets to the bottom of the reg with about 5fps in all the shots .
I get 100+ shots from 200 bar down to 100 bar that run 786fps to 780fps and when it hits the 100 bar I get a 10mm drop in P.O.I. at 55yds .
So I would get a reg fitted to a none reg gun all day ..

OUTCAST wrote:if your gun don't have a reg fit one .
used to shoot none reg guns and its a pain fill to X shoot 40 shots refill .
As with a reg fitted you up your shot count that shoots at say 780fps till it gets to the bottom of the reg with about 5fps in all the shots .
I get 100+ shots from 200 bar down to 100 bar that run 786fps to 780fps and when it hits the 100 bar I get a 10mm drop in P.O.I. at 55yds .
So I would get a reg fitted to a none reg gun all day ..

Well I wouldn't, it's just one thing more to go wrong. I've got a s400k that I can use on the zero range and then shoot a competition (HFT) without an issue. If you're hunting why would you want to carry 40 or more rabbits. If you consider the cost (which you wont get back) against a tune and polish there's only a marginal improvement.

Steve C.

Fit a rifle with a regulator and you need to fill to a much higher pressure to make best use of it. That isn't easy with a pump or when your bottle gets low.
My S200 only needs filling to 155 bar for 45 good shots, that's easy for me, just a few minutes of gentle exercise. Filling a rifle to 200 bar + ? I wouldn't want to thanks!

Timmytree wrote:Fit a rifle with a regulator and you need to fill to a much higher pressure to make best use of it. That isn't easy with a pump or when your bottle gets low.
My S200 only needs filling to 155 bar for 45 good shots, that's easy for me, just a few minutes of gentle exercise. Filling a rifle to 200 bar + ? I wouldn't want to thanks!

and thats why quality spring rifles are the best,all day fun with no bottles or penis pumps to drag about

why would a reged rifle need to be pressurised more?