UK Power Limit

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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:03 am

Wouldn't argue with any of that.
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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:43 am

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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:06 pm

Yes, but as has been said many times before. All the licencing in the world won't stop those low life who are intent on flouting the law. It will only cost us legitimate shooters money, inconvenience and be a burden on the already overstretched Police resources. What the Scots think they are going to gain politically, because I'm sure that's what it's all about, is clearly beyond me!
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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:36 pm

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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:45 pm

Some very informative points there , and I can understand that it's the ignorant air gunners that contribute to the problems of the rest , but work this one out.
Say I am getting ready for a session on the bunny's , I get my fave airgun out and check it over seeing how much air is in the cylinder and put a few shots over the combro and check for POI. Oops my combro reads 12.2 ftlbs, I check the reading again and its the same.
So what do I do ?
A I go out anyway and if I am stopped plead ignorance.
B I take it to my nearest RFD who can adjust it for me , as the gun has an AT fitted.
Ok answer A is out of the question, but answer B also opens up a can of worms.
By owning an air gun which is shooting in excess of the 12 ftlb Uk limit you are breaking the law as it is a section 1 firearm (I don't have an FAC certificate).
I can't take it to the RFD , again I don't have a certificate to carry it.
And woe betide me if I get a courtesy call from the authority's just doing a check.
So where do we stand there ?
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Re: UK Power Limit

Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:09 pm

Hi Darren,
A very interesting question which our airgun manufacturers and magazine Editors should be answering.

You airgun has been fitted with AT, which means you cannot adjust the power. You find your gun shooting above the limit. Not a single manufacturer or magazine has offered any advice on how you should address this and remain safe from prosecution. As long as you are in possession of that Section 1 rifle you are liable, and no excuses.

I know of no other example where the actions of a manufacturer can put his customer in jeopardy of prosecution and the customer can do nothing about it.

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Re: UK Power Limit

Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:15 pm

There is also something else that we should be aware of.

Air rifles with short barrels (less than 300mm) like the Prosport and TXHC (there are others) that are capable of more than 12FPE are not classified as Section 1 but are in fact Section 5 Prohibited weapons and can attract the minimum sentence of 5 years.

The same applies to any air pistol capable of more than 6FPE.

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Re: UK Power Limit

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:00 pm

thank you ray ,I think it is on to ask those in authority and the manufacturers.
There was an issue with the new BSA lightning XL as the barrel was I think under 300mm,
but as long as the barrel weight was fixed it was classed as part of the barrel length which made it ok .
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Re: UK Power Limit

Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:07 pm

darran77 wrote:thank you ray ,I think it is on to ask those in authority and the manufacturers.
There was an issue with the new BSA lightning XL as the barrel was I think under 300mm,
but as long as the barrel weight was fixed it was classed as part of the barrel length which made it ok .
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Hi Darren,
Only the barrel itself counts towards length.
It doesn't matter what is fastened to it in regards cocking aids, silencers, weights, shrouds or anything else.

The above info is from the Home Office.

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Re: UK Power Limit

Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:42 am

When testing rifles (or pistols) to see if they are capable of being over 12fpe (6fpe), if the power adjusting screw is accessible from pre-AT or having AT removed durring tunning or servicing, is this opened up fully durring testing?

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